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		<title>By: Mongo</title>
		<link>http://tete-tete-tete.com/97/delayed-response/#comment-221</link>
		<dc:creator>Mongo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Aug 2006 13:33:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>--From my vantage point, they set themselves off when they claim that anyone who doesn’t adopt their principles and adhere to their pontifications to be ”ignorant” or ”not a credible person” to discuss the topic. It’s all part of the game, of course, but the attempt to innoculate from criticism does not go unnoticed.--
I agree that anyone who tries to "cram" their beliefs down everyone's throat is, IMO, not worth listening to.  However, there are plenty of other folks who are just manning the sirens right now and not shouting in other people's ears.  Here's a link to the show I saw:
http://dsc.discovery.com/convergence/globalwarming/globalwarming.html
I thought it was a well-produced piece that had a lot of information to process, and it wasn't presented in a "doomsday" mannrer, but pretty matter-of-fact.

At least it doesn't say we will implode, explode, or otherwise fall to some major catastrophe at a certain date or time like some of the zealots who are screaming about with the year 2012.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8211;From my vantage point, they set themselves off when they claim that anyone who doesn’t adopt their principles and adhere to their pontifications to be ”ignorant” or ”not a credible person” to discuss the topic. It’s all part of the game, of course, but the attempt to innoculate from criticism does not go unnoticed.&#8211;<br />
I agree that anyone who tries to &#8220;cram&#8221; their beliefs down everyone&#8217;s throat is, IMO, not worth listening to.  However, there are plenty of other folks who are just manning the sirens right now and not shouting in other people&#8217;s ears.  Here&#8217;s a link to the show I saw:<br />
<a href="http://dsc.discovery.com/convergence/globalwarming/globalwarming.html" rel="nofollow">http://dsc.discovery.com/convergence/globalwarming/globalwarming.html</a><br />
I thought it was a well-produced piece that had a lot of information to process, and it wasn&#8217;t presented in a &#8220;doomsday&#8221; mannrer, but pretty matter-of-fact.</p>
<p>At least it doesn&#8217;t say we will implode, explode, or otherwise fall to some major catastrophe at a certain date or time like some of the zealots who are screaming about with the year 2012.</p>
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		<title>By: Buck</title>
		<link>http://tete-tete-tete.com/97/delayed-response/#comment-219</link>
		<dc:creator>Buck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Aug 2006 12:40:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hurricanes and floods I can handle.

But when the yellow jackets start taking over I am going to start riding a bicycle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hurricanes and floods I can handle.</p>
<p>But when the yellow jackets start taking over I am going to start riding a bicycle.</p>
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		<title>By: smijer</title>
		<link>http://tete-tete-tete.com/97/delayed-response/#comment-218</link>
		<dc:creator>smijer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Aug 2006 20:30:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, you don't care now, but wait until a giant &lt;a href="http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/8/23/123014/572" rel="nofollow"&gt;yellow jacket nest&lt;/a&gt; takes over your car.  And since this is the internet where you can't hear my tone -  yes, I'm being silly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, you don&#8217;t care now, but wait until a giant <a href="http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/8/23/123014/572" rel="nofollow" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview ('/outbound/www.dailykos.com');">yellow jacket nest</a> takes over your car.  And since this is the internet where you can&#8217;t hear my tone -  yes, I&#8217;m being silly.</p>
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		<title>By: Buck</title>
		<link>http://tete-tete-tete.com/97/delayed-response/#comment-216</link>
		<dc:creator>Buck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Aug 2006 17:15:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Still hard for me to believe that knocking a couple of buildings down in New York could do the damage it did to us economically and spiritually. I think our reaction has done more damage than the actual action.

I have found myself becoming more and more interested in this global warming thing. Doubtless it is happening but still cannot bring myself to really give a damn.

My BDS does seem to flare up at the most inopportune times. I work on it but it seems to have some of the characteristics of Tourette's syndrome.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Still hard for me to believe that knocking a couple of buildings down in New York could do the damage it did to us economically and spiritually. I think our reaction has done more damage than the actual action.</p>
<p>I have found myself becoming more and more interested in this global warming thing. Doubtless it is happening but still cannot bring myself to really give a damn.</p>
<p>My BDS does seem to flare up at the most inopportune times. I work on it but it seems to have some of the characteristics of Tourette&#8217;s syndrome.</p>
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		<title>By: smijer</title>
		<link>http://tete-tete-tete.com/97/delayed-response/#comment-214</link>
		<dc:creator>smijer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Aug 2006 15:30:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Buck - you weren't wrong in having that impression - there is evidence to support both propositions - frequency and intensity... however the people who you listened to on that may have dropped the ball on advising you about the various degrees of certainty on those items (or, maybe you didn't listen closely enough).. The certainty regarding hurricane strength is *pretty good*... the certainty on frequency - well the debate is ongoing. And, of course - as has been stressed so many times - these are climatalogical phenomena and do not predict anything about any single specific hurricane season.  

RW - I doubt Al Gore would have made such a dumb prediction. RFK, Jr., maybe. Maybe some of the side-line cheerleaders that have no appreciable audience to begin with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Buck - you weren&#8217;t wrong in having that impression - there is evidence to support both propositions - frequency and intensity&#8230; however the people who you listened to on that may have dropped the ball on advising you about the various degrees of certainty on those items (or, maybe you didn&#8217;t listen closely enough).. The certainty regarding hurricane strength is *pretty good*&#8230; the certainty on frequency - well the debate is ongoing. And, of course - as has been stressed so many times - these are climatalogical phenomena and do not predict anything about any single specific hurricane season.  </p>
<p>RW - I doubt Al Gore would have made such a dumb prediction. RFK, Jr., maybe. Maybe some of the side-line cheerleaders that have no appreciable audience to begin with.</p>
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		<title>By: RW</title>
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		<dc:creator>RW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Aug 2006 12:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BTW, the economy is blistering.  Pointing to the stock market before the dot-com bust - when a lot of stocks were artifically inflated to the point of absurdity (think "enron"), thus making them as fake as Dolly Parton's boobs - is using a fallacious foundation.  We had the bust followed by 9/11 which almost did away with the entire airline industry and we've recovered rather remarkably.  If someone had told you the week after 9/11 that the economy would've performed as it has, would you have believed them?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW, the economy is blistering.  Pointing to the stock market before the dot-com bust - when a lot of stocks were artifically inflated to the point of absurdity (think &#8220;enron&#8221;), thus making them as fake as Dolly Parton&#8217;s boobs - is using a fallacious foundation.  We had the bust followed by 9/11 which almost did away with the entire airline industry and we&#8217;ve recovered rather remarkably.  If someone had told you the week after 9/11 that the economy would&#8217;ve performed as it has, would you have believed them?</p>
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		<title>By: RW</title>
		<link>http://tete-tete-tete.com/97/delayed-response/#comment-211</link>
		<dc:creator>RW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Aug 2006 12:39:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eh, it was my fault for screwing up the HTML.
BTW, here's a link to a live comment thingie:
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&lt;blockquote&gt;There was not a single climate scientist who said that climate models that predict a heavy hurricane season this year from global warming.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Well, you're throwing in a caveat: "climate scientist".  Methinks that Mr. Boortz - and I'm guessing, but this is an educated guess - was going using "the usual suspects on the left that practice punditry" as his basis.  I didn't look it up &#38; so the places I list could be innocent so I'm going to make a general list but if the guy read the huffington post or some other various sites that are &lt;b&gt;not scientific&lt;/b&gt; but include a bunch of other people who profess to carry the global warming banner (I'm thinking of Laurie David, RFK, Jr - who blamed Katrina on Bush, btw) as his guide.  Easy fodder, sorta like someone on the left pointing to something Freepers discuss as a basis for "the right".  Again, I'm not speaking for Neal but *I* saw &#38; heard several predictions of a bad hurricane season......but, no, I don't recall the source as it was several weeks ago and my long-term memory cells are full of important things like baseball statistics and 80s song lyrics. :)
&lt;blockquote&gt;Maybe I had just assumed that global warming was supposed to lead to an increase in the amount of hurricanes as well as an increase in their power.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I'm sure if the oceans rose in temperature an extreme amount, that would be the case.  The slight amount of warming that we've seen - and we've dropped since the high in '98, IIRC, when global warming was at its worst - would have a negligent effect on hurricanes.  Anyone who says that hurricanes are worse because of global warming is playing politics w/fear and making up @#$%.
Kinda like assuming that the administration insinuated that Iraq had something to do with 9/11&lt;/blockquote&gt;
"Insinuated" is completely dependent upon the listener/reader.  Thus, that is something inferred, not implied.  I can say that it's dark outside and one person can infer that I'm referring to cloud cover while a race-conscious demagogue could infer that I'd be a racist describing a majority black audience of people gathering (a crude example, but I'm trying to make a point).

The topic is global warming, Buck, try to keep the BDS Iraq-response in check, buddy. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eh, it was my fault for screwing up the HTML.<br />
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<blockquote><p>There was not a single climate scientist who said that climate models that predict a heavy hurricane season this year from global warming.</p></blockquote>
<p>Well, you&#8217;re throwing in a caveat: &#8220;climate scientist&#8221;.  Methinks that Mr. Boortz - and I&#8217;m guessing, but this is an educated guess - was going using &#8220;the usual suspects on the left that practice punditry&#8221; as his basis.  I didn&#8217;t look it up &amp; so the places I list could be innocent so I&#8217;m going to make a general list but if the guy read the huffington post or some other various sites that are <b>not scientific</b> but include a bunch of other people who profess to carry the global warming banner (I&#8217;m thinking of Laurie David, RFK, Jr - who blamed Katrina on Bush, btw) as his guide.  Easy fodder, sorta like someone on the left pointing to something Freepers discuss as a basis for &#8220;the right&#8221;.  Again, I&#8217;m not speaking for Neal but *I* saw &amp; heard several predictions of a bad hurricane season&#8230;&#8230;but, no, I don&#8217;t recall the source as it was several weeks ago and my long-term memory cells are full of important things like baseball statistics and 80s song lyrics. <img src='http://tete-tete-tete.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<blockquote><p>Maybe I had just assumed that global warming was supposed to lead to an increase in the amount of hurricanes as well as an increase in their power.</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;m sure if the oceans rose in temperature an extreme amount, that would be the case.  The slight amount of warming that we&#8217;ve seen - and we&#8217;ve dropped since the high in &#8216;98, IIRC, when global warming was at its worst - would have a negligent effect on hurricanes.  Anyone who says that hurricanes are worse because of global warming is playing politics w/fear and making up @#$%.<br />
Kinda like assuming that the administration insinuated that Iraq had something to do with 9/11<br />
&#8220;Insinuated&#8221; is completely dependent upon the listener/reader.  Thus, that is something inferred, not implied.  I can say that it&#8217;s dark outside and one person can infer that I&#8217;m referring to cloud cover while a race-conscious demagogue could infer that I&#8217;d be a racist describing a majority black audience of people gathering (a crude example, but I&#8217;m trying to make a point).</p>
<p>The topic is global warming, Buck, try to keep the BDS Iraq-response in check, buddy. <img src='http://tete-tete-tete.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Buck</title>
		<link>http://tete-tete-tete.com/97/delayed-response/#comment-210</link>
		<dc:creator>Buck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Aug 2006 12:22:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe I had just assumed that global warming was supposed to lead to an increase in the amount of hurricanes as well as an increase in their power.

Kinda like assuming that the administration insinuated that Iraq had something to do with 9/11

I guess I pulled both of my assumptions from out of the ether somewhere.

It sure is funny how you can draw a conclusion that was never meant to be drawn.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe I had just assumed that global warming was supposed to lead to an increase in the amount of hurricanes as well as an increase in their power.</p>
<p>Kinda like assuming that the administration insinuated that Iraq had something to do with 9/11</p>
<p>I guess I pulled both of my assumptions from out of the ether somewhere.</p>
<p>It sure is funny how you can draw a conclusion that was never meant to be drawn.</p>
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		<title>By: smijer</title>
		<link>http://tete-tete-tete.com/97/delayed-response/#comment-209</link>
		<dc:creator>smijer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Aug 2006 11:31:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RW - respectfully, all these predictions come from the NOAA who runs a prediction every year the same way the NWS sends out weather predictions all the time. There was not a single climate scientist who said that climate models that predict a heavy hurricane season this year from global warming. The NOAA, whether it is proven right or wrong in its prediction of the hurricane season was not talking about global warming - they were just doing their yearly prediction. 

The "Global Warming nuts" that Boortz refers to &lt;i&gt;suspect&lt;/i&gt; that one of the consequences will be more hurricanes, generally speaking (not in any particular season), but there is no concensus on the matter.  Their models are less ambiguous about the relative &lt;i&gt;strength&lt;/i&gt; of hurricanes, though that is not beyond debate at this point, either. I will be extremely surprised if he finds a single "Global Warming Nut" who made any 2006-season predictions from their theory, &lt;i&gt;at all&lt;/i&gt;.

&lt;blockquote&gt;From my vantage point, they set themselves off when they claim that anyone who doesn’t adopt their principles and adhere to their pontifications to be ”ignorant” or ”not a credible person” to discuss the topic. It’s all part of the game, of course, but the attempt to innoculate from criticism does not go unnoticed.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I would agree with you if it weren't for the fact that people who, like Neal Boortz, publicly dispute the scientific consensus fall &lt;i&gt;completely&lt;/i&gt; within three classes:
1) Non-scientist Republican politicians
2) Non-scientist Republican media personalities (yes, I count Neal among the 'R's. What's the emoticon for that? Oh yeah - :-P )
3) A vanishingly small minority of climate-scientist, every one of whom is primarily funded by the energy industry. 

That being the case, it seems to me that the indictments of global warming skeptics as "not credible" have themselves too much credibility to be written off as an attempt to "innoculate from criticism".

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RW - respectfully, all these predictions come from the NOAA who runs a prediction every year the same way the NWS sends out weather predictions all the time. There was not a single climate scientist who said that climate models that predict a heavy hurricane season this year from global warming. The NOAA, whether it is proven right or wrong in its prediction of the hurricane season was not talking about global warming - they were just doing their yearly prediction. </p>
<p>The &#8220;Global Warming nuts&#8221; that Boortz refers to <i>suspect</i> that one of the consequences will be more hurricanes, generally speaking (not in any particular season), but there is no concensus on the matter.  Their models are less ambiguous about the relative <i>strength</i> of hurricanes, though that is not beyond debate at this point, either. I will be extremely surprised if he finds a single &#8220;Global Warming Nut&#8221; who made any 2006-season predictions from their theory, <i>at all</i>.</p>
<blockquote><p>From my vantage point, they set themselves off when they claim that anyone who doesn’t adopt their principles and adhere to their pontifications to be ”ignorant” or ”not a credible person” to discuss the topic. It’s all part of the game, of course, but the attempt to innoculate from criticism does not go unnoticed.</p></blockquote>
<p>I would agree with you if it weren&#8217;t for the fact that people who, like Neal Boortz, publicly dispute the scientific consensus fall <i>completely</i> within three classes:<br />
1) Non-scientist Republican politicians<br />
2) Non-scientist Republican media personalities (yes, I count Neal among the &#8216;R&#8217;s. What&#8217;s the emoticon for that? Oh yeah - <img src='http://tete-tete-tete.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':-P' class='wp-smiley' /> )<br />
3) A vanishingly small minority of climate-scientist, every one of whom is primarily funded by the energy industry. </p>
<p>That being the case, it seems to me that the indictments of global warming skeptics as &#8220;not credible&#8221; have themselves too much credibility to be written off as an attempt to &#8220;innoculate from criticism&#8221;.</p>
<p>I tried to fix that HTML, but a WordPress WSIWYG bug throws those back-slashes in to an edited comment whether you want them or not.</p>
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		<title>By: RW</title>
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		<dc:creator>RW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Aug 2006 01:40:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/i&gt;Boy, I screwed up that html big time.</description>
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