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		<title>By: RW</title>
		<link>http://tete-tete-tete.com/565/reflections-on-the-presidential-race/#comment-42316</link>
		<dc:creator>RW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 22:11:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Geez, dave, I click on your link and your own site is bemoaning McCain getting "only" 70-ish percent in the last few primaries.  
Taking into account your definition of "significant" while arguing Obama's late fade, I'm left to wonder if it's a parody.  

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Geez, dave, I click on your link and your own site is bemoaning McCain getting &#8220;only&#8221; 70-ish percent in the last few primaries.<br />
Taking into account your definition of &#8220;significant&#8221; while arguing Obama&#8217;s late fade, I&#8217;m left to wonder if it&#8217;s a parody.  </p>
<p>?</p>
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		<title>By: RW</title>
		<link>http://tete-tete-tete.com/565/reflections-on-the-presidential-race/#comment-42314</link>
		<dc:creator>RW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 20:56:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Yes, she won a small majority of those contests &lt;/blockquote&gt;

That's all I'm sayin'.
I'm not dissing Obama or shilling for McCain (trust me, I don't see me ever doing that....not the foot soldier type), I'm just recalling that the guy was soaring high back in February &#38; riding the greatest press coverage since the invention of press coverage, &#38; you didn't think he'd win.  Then, he loses something like 8 of the last 15 primaries, and you think he can win.

I just though it peculiar.

I have no qualms over your choice or your vote....I'm well aware that Sen. Obama is ideologically closer to you, I wasn't even approaching that or questioning your decision.  Just thought it strange that you didn't think he'd win when he was at his highest point &#38; now that he stumbled across the finish line shortly after kicking his church (after his paster &#38; long after his grandmama) to the curb,  you think he's going to win.

Personally, I don't see how any Republican, especially the one that won't garner conservative support or donations, can win, but I was just pondering what caused your change-of-heart.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Yes, she won a small majority of those contests </p></blockquote>
<p>That&#8217;s all I&#8217;m sayin&#8217;.<br />
I&#8217;m not dissing Obama or shilling for McCain (trust me, I don&#8217;t see me ever doing that&#8230;.not the foot soldier type), I&#8217;m just recalling that the guy was soaring high back in February &amp; riding the greatest press coverage since the invention of press coverage, &amp; you didn&#8217;t think he&#8217;d win.  Then, he loses something like 8 of the last 15 primaries, and you think he can win.</p>
<p>I just though it peculiar.</p>
<p>I have no qualms over your choice or your vote&#8230;.I&#8217;m well aware that Sen. Obama is ideologically closer to you, I wasn&#8217;t even approaching that or questioning your decision.  Just thought it strange that you didn&#8217;t think he&#8217;d win when he was at his highest point &amp; now that he stumbled across the finish line shortly after kicking his church (after his paster &amp; long after his grandmama) to the curb,  you think he&#8217;s going to win.</p>
<p>Personally, I don&#8217;t see how any Republican, especially the one that won&#8217;t garner conservative support or donations, can win, but I was just pondering what caused your change-of-heart.</p>
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		<title>By: smijer</title>
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		<dc:creator>smijer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 20:24:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Trounced? That describes KY and few others of HRC's wins after February. Yes, she won a small majority of those contests after any other candidate would have been written off. But she's Hillary Freakin' Rodham Clinton. As long as she stays in, she's going to have some core support to brag about, and as long as she actively campaigns, she is going to win some. It doesn't say much at all about Obama. What does say something about Obama is that he kept it clean and still won, against the "inevitable" ultimate party insider who was willing to use every speck of mud against him.  That's quite a feat. 

It wasn't electoral trends that swung my opinion of the ultimate outcome. It was a comparison of the candidates - their strengths and weaknesses and how I expect those will play to the ~150 million people who will vote in November.  I realized that despite his liabilities, Obama knows how to get someone to listen and to vote. Senator McCain... well... not so much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trounced? That describes KY and few others of HRC&#8217;s wins after February. Yes, she won a small majority of those contests after any other candidate would have been written off. But she&#8217;s Hillary Freakin&#8217; Rodham Clinton. As long as she stays in, she&#8217;s going to have some core support to brag about, and as long as she actively campaigns, she is going to win some. It doesn&#8217;t say much at all about Obama. What does say something about Obama is that he kept it clean and still won, against the &#8220;inevitable&#8221; ultimate party insider who was willing to use every speck of mud against him.  That&#8217;s quite a feat. </p>
<p>It wasn&#8217;t electoral trends that swung my opinion of the ultimate outcome. It was a comparison of the candidates - their strengths and weaknesses and how I expect those will play to the ~150 million people who will vote in November.  I realized that despite his liabilities, Obama knows how to get someone to listen and to vote. Senator McCain&#8230; well&#8230; not so much.</p>
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		<title>By: RW</title>
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		<dc:creator>RW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 19:38:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;He won among pledged delegates by a significant margin.&lt;/i&gt;

I guess it depends on the definition of "significant".  Still, I wonder if McCain were getting trounced by Huck in state after state after he'd basically wrepped things up back in March, what some folks would say about his campaign.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>He won among pledged delegates by a significant margin.</i></p>
<p>I guess it depends on the definition of &#8220;significant&#8221;.  Still, I wonder if McCain were getting trounced by Huck in state after state after he&#8217;d basically wrepped things up back in March, what some folks would say about his campaign.</p>
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		<title>By: RW</title>
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		<dc:creator>RW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 17:29:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;What I am struggling to come up with is what to call a person who supports McCain?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

"Desperate to the point of choosing between a gun to the temple or a short rope from a long tree" seems to be the conventional wisdom amongst the right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>What I am struggling to come up with is what to call a person who supports McCain?</p></blockquote>
<p>&#8220;Desperate to the point of choosing between a gun to the temple or a short rope from a long tree&#8221; seems to be the conventional wisdom amongst the right.</p>
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		<title>By: smijer</title>
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		<dc:creator>smijer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 16:04:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A note on "racial animus" - here I am talking about the angsty feelings between Wright, Farrakhan, Obama, on the one hand, and whites, jews, and latinos on the other hand - not so much questions of garden variety racism. 

That dynamic is there, too, but you won't hear much about it from me except to say that solving the race problems in America won't be accomplished by declaring ourselves by fiat "not racist", or by having black friends, or by shrugging our shoulders over income and justice disparity and dismissing it as an ethnic "cultural" problem. As far as how that figures into the election, I don't even want to talk about it.  At least not right now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A note on &#8220;racial animus&#8221; - here I am talking about the angsty feelings between Wright, Farrakhan, Obama, on the one hand, and whites, jews, and latinos on the other hand - not so much questions of garden variety racism. </p>
<p>That dynamic is there, too, but you won&#8217;t hear much about it from me except to say that solving the race problems in America won&#8217;t be accomplished by declaring ourselves by fiat &#8220;not racist&#8221;, or by having black friends, or by shrugging our shoulders over income and justice disparity and dismissing it as an ethnic &#8220;cultural&#8221; problem. As far as how that figures into the election, I don&#8217;t even want to talk about it.  At least not right now.</p>
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		<title>By: Buck</title>
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		<dc:creator>Buck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 15:36:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hell Ricky. I would rather my tax dollars be spent on insurance for the wealthy than spent on bombing grass shacks and stone hovels the way we have been doing since I was old enough to hold a job and pay taxes.

The money is going to be spent. I have accepted that.

Spent on what? That is the question.

No way will I ever believe that if a person does not support Obama then that person is a racist.

What I am struggling to come up with is what to call a person who supports McCain?

Somebody out there, Please sell me on McCain. Hopefully you can do a better job than he did selling himself in Kenner last night.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hell Ricky. I would rather my tax dollars be spent on insurance for the wealthy than spent on bombing grass shacks and stone hovels the way we have been doing since I was old enough to hold a job and pay taxes.</p>
<p>The money is going to be spent. I have accepted that.</p>
<p>Spent on what? That is the question.</p>
<p>No way will I ever believe that if a person does not support Obama then that person is a racist.</p>
<p>What I am struggling to come up with is what to call a person who supports McCain?</p>
<p>Somebody out there, Please sell me on McCain. Hopefully you can do a better job than he did selling himself in Kenner last night.</p>
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		<title>By: dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 13:47:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;winning overall somewhat because of the early victories but mostly because of the party-of-equality’s “superdelegate” structure&lt;/blockquote&gt;Huh?

He won among pledged delegates by a significant margin.  If the superdelegates didn't exist, he still would have won.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>winning overall somewhat because of the early victories but mostly because of the party-of-equality’s “superdelegate” structure</p></blockquote>
<p>Huh?</p>
<p>He won among pledged delegates by a significant margin.  If the superdelegates didn&#8217;t exist, he still would have won.</p>
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		<title>By: RW</title>
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		<dc:creator>RW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 13:24:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting.....you thought the guy was going to lose to McCain a few months back, then he goes on a massive LOSING campaign against Hillary in his own party's primaries - winning overall somewhat because of the early victories but mostly because of the party-of-equality's "superdelegate" structure - over the last two months*, illustrating not much by way of "strength in relating to other people powerfully and meaningfully" even among democrats, and suddenly everything's changed and now he's gonna win.  

Hmmmm. 
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&lt;blockquote&gt;If everybody in the country ends up with health insurance...

Now that, I love.  I could pour that in a tub and bathe in it, Buck. Maybe we can amend it so that everyone also has taxpayer financed auto insurance, homeowners' insurance, life insurance and renter's insurance &#38; then produce "if everybody in the country ends up with X insurance, so what?" stickers for convention delegates.  :)



&lt;i&gt;*Special note on the 'racial animous' that has taken place amongst the DNC faithful for many months, apparently now wholly owned only by Republican voters.   I stand by my prediction of what the campaign rhetoric will be by mid-summer: if you don't support Obama, you're a racist.&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting&#8230;..you thought the guy was going to lose to McCain a few months back, then he goes on a massive LOSING campaign against Hillary in his own party&#8217;s primaries - winning overall somewhat because of the early victories but mostly because of the party-of-equality&#8217;s &#8220;superdelegate&#8221; structure - over the last two months*, illustrating not much by way of &#8220;strength in relating to other people powerfully and meaningfully&#8221; even among democrats, and suddenly everything&#8217;s changed and now he&#8217;s gonna win.  </p>
<p>Hmmmm.<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;</p>
<blockquote><p>If everybody in the country ends up with health insurance&#8230;</p>
<p>Now that, I love.  I could pour that in a tub and bathe in it, Buck. Maybe we can amend it so that everyone also has taxpayer financed auto insurance, homeowners&#8217; insurance, life insurance and renter&#8217;s insurance &amp; then produce &#8220;if everybody in the country ends up with X insurance, so what?&#8221; stickers for convention delegates.  <img src='http://tete-tete-tete.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p><i>*Special note on the &#8216;racial animous&#8217; that has taken place amongst the DNC faithful for many months, apparently now wholly owned only by Republican voters.   I stand by my prediction of what the campaign rhetoric will be by mid-summer: if you don&#8217;t support Obama, you&#8217;re a racist.</i></p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: mskitty</title>
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		<dc:creator>mskitty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 13:02:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marvelous, to add the words of Walt Whitman to your post!  The stanzas you chose really express it for me too.  Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marvelous, to add the words of Walt Whitman to your post!  The stanzas you chose really express it for me too.  Thanks.</p>
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