The Speech


Yeah. I could link to the complete transcript or to the youtube but what is the point? Everybody who is anybody has at least heard or read parts of it.

Yesterday I watched all of it on youtube.

I am embarrassed to admit that it was almost like a religious experience for me. I was stunned by the honesty of it and by the way Obama is able to take a red hot subject and cool it down to the point of being comfortable.

And I was impressed beyond words at the fact that Obama refused to cut Reverend Wrights throat and throw him under the bus even though large portions of the right and the left expected him to do that. That is what would have been politically expedient. Obama showed his political inexperience by refusing to act like a politician. That was a breath of fresh air.  

I have heard that the speech will cost him political points in Ohio. I have heard that the speech will have an adverse affect on white, middle class males.

Well I am a white middle class male who voted for Ron Paul in the primary and for the first time in many election cycles I will be willing to vote for one of the two mainstream party candidates. I can guarantee you that I will disagree politically with Obama more times than I agree with him. But I would also disagree with McCain more times than I agree with him. So what is a man to do? My biggest problem with McCain is that he sees government as a hammer and therefore all problems are nails. The concept of open and honest discussions as a means to an end seems to elude him. Maybe that is an incorrect analysis of the man on my point but it is how I see him.

This morning Tucker Carlson was wondering how Obama could still consider the Reverend a friend. I could not help but wonder why MSNBC still has Tucker on the payroll. The speech made it abundantly clear that Obama knows more about the man than a handful of sentences being played over and over and over on every 24 hour a day news station in the world. And the willingness Obama showed to judge a man based on his totality rather than the sum of a few of his more negative parts is not the kind of thing I have gotten used to seeing in politics.

Yesterday I was sprinkled by the dust of the Magical Unity Pony.

And come November, if he gets the nomination, I will put a checkmark by his name.

I would put an Obama bumper sticker on my truck but around here somebody would probably cut my tires.

There are common sense limits to my support.

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Barack did throw him under the bus: “

“He didn’t just cross the line. He fed into some of the worst stereotypes that my two young daughters are having to deal with today in America. The notions that as young African-American women — who I hope will be athletes — that that somehow makes them less beautiful or less important. It was a degrading comment. It’s one that I’m not interested in supporting.”

“What we’ve been seeing around this country is this constant ratcheting up of a coarsening of the culture that all of have to think about.”.

“As a culture, we really have to do some soul-searching to think about what kind of toxic information are we feeding our kids.”

No, wait. That was Obama on Don Imus. Apparently, judging a man based on his totality rather than the sum of a few of his more negative parts is yet another one of those cases (my, there sure seem to be a lot of them) where standards are higher or lower, depending on the “community”.

Related writings on sermons and associations with pastors that are pertinent.

I read a nice long excerpt from the speech. It was pretty good. Probably not enough to salvage the candidacy, but good enough to save the convention.

It’s true RW - everything depends on whose ox is being gored, and who’s doing the goring. We all still got a lot of tribalism in us. I wish we could all get past that.

I too admired the way he condemned the statements he disagreed with but refused to cut the man out of his life. I have many relatives, friends, and co-workers whom I disagree with on various religious, moral, and political questions. But they are all human beings, and though there may be areas of intense disagreement, they all contribute to my life in some way and I refuse to let them be defined solely by their worst aspects. I’m not an active Obama supporter but his speech yesterday probably moved me (another white middle class male) closer to checking his name over Clinton’s when my state’s primary arrives.

Well, one thing has surely come of this: any Republican of any stripe who has ever associated with a human being who has ever uttered the most disgusting trash, filth, racism, anti-Americanism, misogyny and stereotypes that the human mind can imagine, is completely in the clear.

We now have a precedent. After all, it’s only “disagreement”.

FYI, Trent Lott says he wants a do-over. :)

any Republican of any stripe who has ever associated with a human being who has ever uttered the most disgusting trash, filth, racism, anti-Americanism, misogyny and stereotypes that the human mind can imagine, is completely in the clear.

We now have a precedent. After all, it’s only “disagreement”.

With the caveat that they are willing to denounce the remarks in question, the sentiment behind them, clearly and unequivocally… and it’s probably better not to daydream about the wonderful kind of country we could have under the leadership of people with those ideas. TL might not get much out of his do-over on those terms.

TL might not get much out of his do-over on those terms.

Maybe he could change it to the now acceptable “God Damn America” message instead of “we should’ve elected Strom Thurmond” quip.

After all, Strom Thurmond in an elected office is much worse than eternal damnation in a lake of fire. Then again, we never took the totality of Strom Thurmond’s work into account, did we? :)

Wasn’t Strom Thurmond in office for 10,000 years? He certainly won the ovarian lottery, as Warren Buffet so brilliantly put it. (I need to write about that on my blog soon.)

I personally think it’s impossible to NOT be a racist in this society. Or a sexist. My husband openly admits to being both (note: he’s not white). I have racist, sexist, homophobic, etc. thoughts on the regular. Life isn’t about being perfect; it’s about work.

Afraid to go all silly on this, but if I daydream about life under President Wright, it will be because I don’t think he has the power - even as President - to damn us to a lake of fire for all eternity.

Well, this is just me, but I can easily state as a guy who is a member of “The Man” that is holding everyone down that I honestly don’t think that my skin pigment causes me or those like me to be inherently superior to another race. That is, after all, what racism is. Not liking ‘black music’ is a form of discrimination (so is not living in certain neighborhoods or refusing to eat at McDonald’s), not dating someone from another race is simply a personal preference that we can’t really control (I can’t control my likes & dislikes, else I would make myself like onions) and showing a disdain for those not like you is bigotry. The term racist is grossly over-used for it is truly a horrible person, not someone who doesn’t “like” such and such. After all, Oprah isn’t a billionaire because America is “a racist nation” as so many wrong-headed people assert.

A homophobe is someone frightened of gay people. Now, unless “The Rock” turns queer on us (I joke) or someone similar is threatening to toss me around like a rag doll, I can’t think of any reason to be ’scared’ of someone who is gay. Being uncomfortable around someone is not a phobia as I would be quite uncomfortable sitting at a dining room table with Bill Clinton should another dinner guest mention the word “intern”. A lot of blacks would be uncomfortable at a white church’s Homecoming luncheon. I’m uncomfortable walking into a room full of women at work as I know I just interrupted their daily private complaint session. That most men (ahem) get a bit of a boost in their step at the thought of two hot chicks getting it on eradicates the spectrum of ‘homophobia’ as some mass phenomenon and rather makes it the case of most people being uncomfortable with gay men having sex with each other. And, that’s really what it is. Men are ugly pigs, after all, so two dudes is icky. Doesn’t make you a homophobe of you don’t think it’s as beautiful as a husband & wife creating a child (keeping things clean), it makes you someone whose personal tastes differs from others. “Homophobia” has become a buzz-word to mean “anyone who disagrees with my political stances on gay rights”. I mean, seriously, who doesn’t love Nathan Lane?

Now, sexist…..I’m down with that. You bitches cost too much money. :)

All I can say is, we definitely don’t share definitions of those words!

dictionary.com

Whether it’s a bound edition or an internet edition, a dictionary is about as close as one can get to standardized sets of meanings for natural language words. Of course, language is a little more complex than a dictionary can always account for, but it’s a good start:
Racism / racist (of the 4 entries on this word, I think the first - from Dictionary.com (Unabridged v 1.1) is closest to RW’s definition… Probably h. sofia’s usage is best covered by the American Heritage entry). Both usages are justifiable, and, of course, others not codified in the dictionary.

Homophobia … (all entries specify usage broader than the definition RW seems to employ… I think RW is narrowing in on the suffix of the word rather than dealing with the word as a whole in its English language usage. RW, if you did that for both the root and the suffix, you would get a definition along the lines of “fear of sameness”. Sometimes in language, as elsewhere in life, the whole is bigger than the sum of the parts).

all entries specify usage broader than the definition RW seems to employ…

Really? They all read “scared of gays” to me.

Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1)
ho·mo·pho·bi·a /ˌhoʊməˈfoʊbiə/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[hoh-muh-foh-bee-uh] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun
unreasoning fear of or antipathy toward homosexuals and homosexuality.

—Related forms
ho·mo·pho·bic, adjective
Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1)
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American Heritage Dictionary
ho·mo·pho·bi·a (hō’mə-fō’bē-ə) Pronunciation Key
n.

1. Fear of or contempt for lesbians and gay men.
2. Behavior based on such a feeling.

[homo(sexual) + -phobia.]

ho’mo·phobe’ n., ho’mo·pho’bic adj.
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homophobia
noun
prejudice against (fear or dislike of) homosexual people and homosexuality

WordNet® 3.0, © 2006 by Princeton University.
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Main Entry: ho·mo·pho·bia
Pronunciation: “hO-m&-’fO-bE-&
Function: noun
: irrational fear of, aversion to, or discrimination against homosexuality or homosexuals

I’m pretty sure that I used the word in the form that h sofia intended (I don’t think you’re under the supposition that she was complaining against people with an adherence towards similar fashion or the like); gays.

If I don’t want to go out clubbing with some gay friends, it doesn’t make me a homophobe any more than it’d make a black person a racist if they didn’t want to go out line dancing with their white friends.

Racism is a serious charge. Very serious. Let’s keep things in their proper perspective, lest we become as loose with hyperbole as someone like Andrew Sullivan, which is something none of us want (and I think that’s one thing we can all agree on).

unreasoning fear of or antipathy toward homosexuals and homosexuality.

1. Fear of or contempt for lesbians and gay men.

prejudice against (fear or dislike of) homosexual people and homosexuality

irrational fear of, aversion to, or discrimination against homosexuality or homosexuals

It isn’t even a 1., 2. thing, with 1. being “fear” and 2. being prejudice, aversion, dislike, etc.. They are all lumped together as part of the primary definition. Ignoring half the definition isn’t being true to the language at all.

No, you don’t have to go clubbing with your gay friends… You just can’t have an aversion to, dislike or, fear of, or prejudice toward homosexuality as an orientation or homosexuals as people.

As h sofia pointed out, most all of us have prejudices, aversions, dislikes, etc., based on race, religion, sexual orientation, etc… The big issue is whether we want to sweep them under the rug, or bring them out, shine a light on them, and try to deal with them.

I think the best way is to do the latter.

I think the best way to talk about them is using the terms that apply. If we need special terms for especially bad cases, we have modifiers that will serve. For instance a regular turn of phrase for the “baddies” is “unreconstructed racist” (or sexist, or homophobe, etc..) - or “unapologetic racist (etc.)” We have other specialized terms, too - “white supremacist”, for instance.

I don’t know of a very commonly used construction to refer to the garden variety of these ills - (maybe “garden variety”)… but like with alcoholism, probably the “best” designation to be would be “recovering racist (etc.)” There are precious few of us who don’t at least fit that category for some prejucial ill.

Let me amend that somewhat… because, as a rule, I don’t like to apply these terms as categorical descriptions of people. People are people. What is racist, sexist, homophobic, etc.. are not the people, but their thoughts and actions. The ideal is that people will recognize the harmfulness of these types of thoughts and actions, and work on correcting them.

Believe me. I wrestled and wrestled with the Imus question. But then again, I was listening to Imus this morning on the radio and one of his guests asked him how the Sharpton thing turned out and he kind of chuckled. Basically saying without saying that he was richer after Sharpton than he could have ever been without him.

And if anybody at anytime from anywhere can convince me that McCain would be a better President than Obama I am willing to listen.

What it boils down to is a choice between McCain and Obama.

Now. Somebody please tell me why I should prefer McCain?

Because they are making over 250k and want to keep their current tax rates. Or because they work for military contractors and want to keep their contracts. I can’t think of much else.

Well, I don’t know if you’ve ever seen the back of MY car, but I honestly expected to see my paint job keyed a long time ago. But still, the car looks good!

So, go ahead and live dangerously! Be audacious! Put the sticker on your truck! ;-D

So, go ahead and live dangerously! Be audacious! Put the sticker on your truck! ;-D

Alice, if he gets the nomination I will get an Obama sticker. Just for you. But you might want to send the authorities looking for me if I don’t show up on this blog after an extended period ;-)