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Well there are usually ways to ensure that stupid hurts. . . I quite regularly take steps to ensure that those who say and do stupid things come to regret having done so.

Considering that the Book of Revelation was written several centuries before the advent of Islam, and makes no specific prophecy regarding Islam, I don’t see how it could specify that the anti-Christ will be a Muslim. In any case Barack Obama is not a Muslim nor does he have a “MASSIVE Christ-like appeal”. Maybe people who make claims about what is said in the Book of Revelation should take the time to read it first. . .

The only way to know for sure is to let him touch the regular christ and see if they mutually annihilate in a blast of gamma radiation.

It was only a matter of time, I guess. This crap is so stupid. First of all, there is NO anti-Christ. Second of all, what Robin Edgar said (how can the bible allude to Islam when Islam hadn’t even come into being yet?). And Obama’s father was not religious at all (maybe even atheist), though born into a Muslim country. This is like saying every Italian is of Catholic descent.

Uggh. My head hurts.

Stupid does hurt but not always the stupid person. It caused pain for you, me and the other two posters.

…sounds like my favorite author…Hal Lindsey…

Nope, maybe it was John Grisham?? Nope, Dan Brown?? Nope Stephen King…(ahem) definately not…maybe Richard Bachman who I am currently reading. Its a hard read though…Too much prose and too many rabbit trails…sounds like it should be right up my alley eh?

With a heavily loaded base of right-wing voters….as stupid as this sounds…this argument may sway a few votes.

If I were Hillary…I would swear that Obama was the 3rd anti-christ…just behind King and Lennon….just kidding, behind Napoleon and Hitler.

…before you guys all gang up on me …remember that I write about sports here…not politics…I have been reprimanded!

Stupid does hurt but not always the stupid person. It caused pain for you, me and the other two posters.

“Stupid is as stupid does…”

like so…

Anyway, like I was sayin’, shrimp is the fruit of the sea. You can barbecue it, boil it, broil it, bake it, saute it. Dey’s uh, shrimp-kabobs, shrimp creole, shrimp gumbo. Pan fried, deep fried, stir-fried. There’s pineapple shrimp, lemon shrimp, coconut shrimp, pepper shrimp, shrimp soup, shrimp stew, shrimp salad, shrimp and potatoes, shrimp burger, shrimp sandwich. That- that’s about it

E-mails aren’t causing the Obama campaign to implode. A cheering throng caught on camera applauding a stream of hate put forth by an instrumental person in the candidate’s life is doing what the Clinton campaign couldn’t.

The “he’s just angry old black man” trial balloon thing ain’t working. The “they’re attacking a black church” thing ain’t working. Let’s see what option #3 will be.

This is just sad.

This thread is so exciting! My heart is about to beat out of my shoulder!

This thread is so exciting! My heart is about to beat out of my shoulder!

Maybe you should get that unicycle off of your nose.

FYI, it appears that the surrogates are using the “it’s a black thang, you wouldn’t understand” approach as option #3.

Hmmm….

Let’s see what the esteemed candidate’s approach is.

But… it has such a wonderful bouquet…

I don’t know who the surrogates are, and I can’t speak for any of them, but I suspect it goes more along the lines of, “It’s not a well-off white thing, you wouldn’t understand.”

Disclosure: I haven’t heard a word of anything Rev Wright said or Obama’s response. Because neither one is Muslim, and I only get my news from the anti-Christ.

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I guess we’ll have to see how non-well-off whites play the “nuance” game around “God damn America”, the “United States of KKK”, the contention that we’ll plant WMDs (wow, got that one rather WRONG, didn’t he?) or that the USA knew that Japan was going to attack Pearl Harbor.

Forget bouquets, what about the HOPE?

That must’ve been why the crowd was showing adoring praise during those “imperfect” contentions…..hope for a more perfect union. After we kill all the blacks with the AIDs, first, though.

(I wonder if the gov’t intended for lesbians to be among the safest community when it created AIDs?)

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BTW, h sofia, if that pic is of you on your main page entry right now, it is great. That one deserves a frame. (I’m happily married, old and have kids, so it ain’t flirtin’ when I say “great smile”)

“Now I know what it means when folks say, “Stupid should hurt”.”

Amen, brother…

“All I hope is that by the time the next President takes office there will be something left to destroy.”

Other than the smoldering ruins left by the past 20 years’ occupants of the White House, not much…

RW - I’m not saying that I agree or that it’s right (and from what I hear, Obama says he doesn’t, and it isn’t), but having grown up in a black community, I can tell you these things aren’t *that* far out there.

The “United States of Amerikkka” has been around FOREVER (well probably as long as the KKK and maybe since our president Woodrow Wilson praised “Birth of a Nation” and the KKK). After the Tuskeegee experiments, Jim Crow, the Philadelphia bombings of 1985, the assassination of MLK, Dred Scott, and a million other things, it’s not difficult to imagine the lack of trust many AAs have for the American government. And surely, they aren’t the only ones who have good reason to be suspicious/paranoid, given that the government is on record for having lied to us all many times in the past.

But what does that *mean*? That they hate America? No, AAs are still over-represented in the Armed Forces, for example. And sixty percent of those eligible voted in the 2004 elections. I almost joined the military several times - but I didn’t trust my gov’t not to send me off to fight for the wrong reasons. (Ten years later, I’m glad I followed my instincts on that!)

Again, I haven’t heard Wright’s clips, but I’ve heard that kind of stuff from people who have served this country, who work hard, who pay their taxes, who don’t hate white people, etc. etc. Granted, some of these same people believe in REALLY crazy stuff (to me) like Armageddon, and hellfire, and a vengeful God, but I don’t hold it against them. Well, sometimes I do.

I guess I just don’t see it as such a big deal - except that white folks are shocked! It’s like when Peter Jennings announced many years ago on a nightly broadcast, “Strange as it may sound, many African Americans believe there is a conspiracy against black males in this country!” I saw that and thought, “And this is news?” Well, I guess it was to white folks!

In any case, what does this have to do with Obama?

RW - oh, and yes, that’s me. Thanks. I won’t take it as a flirt. Otherwise my husband might have to hack into your computer. =D

That a bunch of people (I don’t particularly care about the color of their skin…..remember when that was a virtue?) applaud ridiculous statements, it’s not to be given more credence: something ridiculous is ridiculous. And shrouding “the USA created AIDS to kill blacks” around “this is the same gov’t that gave us slavery & Tuscogee” is nothing more than muddying the water. Where is the “reality based community”? Can’t they find the oft-hailed scientific consensus on this??

I was told years ago that it was wrong for Jerry Falwell to blame 9/11 on God’s retribution because of gays & lesbians. I agreed.
I was told that “hate speech” is to be condemned. I agreed.
I was told that making ugly statements about other races was unacceptable. I agreed.
I was told that being closed-minded was something to abhor. I agreed.

Little did I realize that those proclamations only applied in certain circumstances. That was THEN, you know.

You can disagree with something - find it ludicrous even - but you should still try to understand why people say what they say. I would never vote Rev. Wright into office.

You can disagree with something - find it ludicrous even - but you should still try to understand why people say what they say.

Sure.
Take the case of abortion, for instance. There are people who think it pertains to “choice” and others who only think of it in terms of a baby. They’ll never reconcile their differences but as long as one side can articulate WHY they have their convictions, at least the two sides can ’see’ where the other is coming from.

That being said, I’m sorry, but I can’t see how an audience can applaud or agree with the hate put forth by Wright and it be based in anything other than, well, hate. And that has nothing at all to do with Barack Obama.

Questions: Do you seek to understand where the Randall Terry types are coming from? Do you seek to understand where the true racists (think KKK) are coming from? Do you really think that’s constructive? Should we seek to understand where Osama bin Laden is coming from?

I would never vote Rev. Wright into office.

Would you nod approvingly or applaud during his sermons when he emphasized some of the more anti-American themes? How about Falwell? Pat Robertson?

Do you seek to understand where the true racists (think KKK) are coming from? Do you really think that’s constructive? Should we seek to understand where Osama bin Laden is coming from?

Yes. I think so.

From what I can gather, you guys are not the only ones who are more willing to accept this kind of thing as based on some comments from Obama supporters, they find little wrong with Wright’s comments.

Yes. I think so.

Okay. As long as they’re not Fox News holding a debate, though, eh?

Questions: Do you seek to understand where the Randall Terry types are coming from? Do you seek to understand where the true racists (think KKK) are coming from? Do you really think that’s constructive? Should we seek to understand where Osama bin Laden is coming from?

Yes, I do. I watch Trinity Broadcast Network at least once a month (Pastor Hagee was on this afternoon and I saw his show), and read Pat Buchanan’s books. I also regularly have conversations about controversial issues with my white, conservative evangelical friends - and my black conservative friends. We disagree on things like abortion (unlike my one friend, I don’t believe “90% of women have them because they don’t want to get fat” but I know *why* she thinks that), homosexuality, separation of church and state, etc. Within my own family, we talk about political disagreements, too.

So I’m not cutting any slack for Rev Wright; I’m just more *familiar* with his kind of beliefs. It’s a lot easier for me to understand him than for me to understand Rev. Hagee, for example. But Rev Hagee isn’t alone in what he believes - he has thousands of followers in many countries. I could write him off, but that doesn’t change the reality.

One of my best friends wrote her master’s thesis on white supremacist Christian movements, and (essentially) religious cults in the US. I’ve read the thesis and agree with her that its important to comprehend where such folks are coming from, otherwise you end up with tragedies like Waco. I wish we could ignore or dismiss away someone like Bin Laden.

more willing to accept this kind of thing as based on some comments

Who accept what?