Tête-à-Tête-Tête

I miss the old days when the candidates were chosen at the convention, and the race started on Labor Day- back then, we only had to put up with this stuff for two months, not two years!

MLK was a commie pinko, too. Good thing he never ran for president.

MLK wrote numerous pieces about communism and why it was terrible. Uggh. Lack of education and critical thinking skills may well be the death knell of this great land.

I forgot my /snark tag. Of course, I was talking about Nixon’s picture of MLK, not the real person. Sorry if I wasn’t clear.

Another heart-breaking truth is that no sooner is this election done than the running for the next one will begin. It seems this country is constantly in election mode.

Anything to feed the 24/7 news channels.

I think I am going to start fishing more and remove myself from the vortex of madness.

Maybe I missed it, but has Obama mentioned having had contact with “Frank” since his days in Hawaii in the late 70’s? If not, how exactly is Frank “helping the Democratic front-runner …find his identity”? According to the excerpt from Obama’s book, “Frank” helped Obama come to terms with being an African-American, not a communist. There’s a lot more to a person’s philosphy than political leanings (although of course people like Boortz and Hannity couldn’t possibly conceive that).

I mean, I was greatly influenced by H.R. Pufnstuf and Land of the Lost in the 70’s but that doesn’t mean if I were running for president I’d be pushing for the rights of all people to fight against wishes or seek peaceful coexistence with dinosaurs and Sleestak.

I know, I know, it’s not exactly the same, but it was still almost 30 years ago….

wishes=witches above. Sorry.

barry… we are talking about the right wing here. they don’t exactly care about facts. they care about the destruction of the “enemies,” by any means necessary.

barry… we are talking about the right wing here. they don’t exactly care about facts. they care about the destruction of the “enemies,” by any means necessary.

And that is the sort of deep thinking that has brought us to the point of two parties that work for themselves instead of the people that the pols are supposed to represent.

Hope.

Change.

Let’s all faint.

Smijer - it was clear to me *you* weren’t being serious; I was just responding to the idea that anyone could actually believe this with even a small amount of familiarity with King’s writings. But for as famous as King is, I imagine only a tiny fraction of the people who know of him have actually read his own words.

Of course, I was talking about Nixon’s picture of MLK, not the real person.

Apparently, it wasn’t just Nixon who had misgivings about MLK, as it was Bobby Kennedy who had him wiretapped. Why? Because of his affiliations with communists and our being hip-deep in the cold war at the time.

Yes, that Robert F. Kennedy.

War was bipartisan, back then.

Eh, add smiley face thingy at the end. Looks sorta snarky w/o one.

Snark’s what makes the world go ’round.

So, yeah - I don’t want to defend RFK for the wiretap business (I don’t assume he did something wrong, but if there was a warrant there probably shouldn’t have been. Being a communist isn’t a crime after all). But my understanding of that is that RFK started the tap not because he thought King was a pinko, but because one of his advisors had recently departed the Party, and he was suspicious that said advisor was planted there to infiltrate King’s org. Nixon’s campaign against MLK was a little more muddled on motive, and looks a lot dirtier to me.

Being a communist isn’t a crime after all

Being a member of Al Qaeda isn’t a crime, either. But, I sure as #$@% hope we’re gaining intel on someone who is acquainted with a member of Al Qaeda (a group that has killed millions fewer than communists and communism). Communism wasn’t just “another political ideology”, it was a cause that called for the destruction and decimation of America and all that she stood for. I have zero problem with someone getting intel, even from MLK, if they were hanging out with someone who belongs to a group that is intent on damaging the USA, but as soon as MLK was cleared, the tapes should’ve been destroyed.

Nixon’s campaign against MLK was a little more muddled on motive, and looks a lot dirtier to me.

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The guy was dead long before Nixon was sworn into office. Are you saying he did stuff as Ike’s veep?

Being a member of Al Qaeda isn’t a crime, either. But, I sure as #$@% hope we’re gaining intel on someone who is acquainted with a member of Al Qaeda (a group that has killed millions fewer than communists and communism). Communism wasn’t just “another political ideology”, it was a cause that called for the destruction and decimation of America and all that she stood for.

Sorry - not a fair comparison. Al Qaeda has political, religious, and philosophical goals, but they are chiefly a terrorist organization. Communism is an economic and sociological theory whhch existed before there was an organization known as the Communist Party, and has been an intellectual position in the United States continuousy from well before the Russian Revolution to the present. Few prominent American Communists gave any indication that they cared for a violent revolution here or for the violent overthrow of the government from outside. Instead American Communists worked toward their agenda through legitimate means such as the free press and through pursuing elective office.

This associate of King’s may have been dangerous, and may have presented reasonable suspicion for wiretapping. If so, and if RFK had a warrant, then I have no complaint. If he didn’t - well, FISA wasn’t around yet to clarify all that, but he then would have overstepped his limits under the 4th amendment.

On MLK - I guess I had him mixed up with someone else. He’s the bad guy of that era & I guess I just attribute all the badness from then to him.

Few prominent American Communists gave any indication that they cared for a violent revolution here or for the violent overthrow of the government from outside.

Guess it depends on one’s definition of “prominent”. The Rosenbergs - no matter what ‘documentaries’ HBO tries to slough off on us - were guilty as sin & were attempting to usurp our gov’t via spying. Could just be a difference of opinion, but when each communist country at the time has called for the demise of the USA, I think that those who join the communist party & hold those countries as ‘ideal’ are indeed working for the destruction of our nation. No, they weren’t planning terrorist acts, they were just seeking to foist a failed system that killed millions upon us, by any means necessary.

Per our earlier discussion on Obama & McCain: right on cue, the NYT comes through. Remember, this is the paper that only weeks ago endorsed the guy that they now claim is corrupt. Gee, wonder why?

It’s not even surprising, any more. Evidence of why we conservatives view the mainstream media as an NBA game being officiated by Tim Donaghy.

Yeah, and the NYT has been sitting on this since December or something. So they knew about it when they endorsed. Don’t worry, though - we see the traditional media about the same way on our side.

Buck… another good one Alice mentioned yesterday - Obama is apparently a JOO!

And not just any ‘ol Jew. A COMMUNIST JEW!

A black, liberal, communist Jew. Man once they get this guy tied to Al Qaeda there won’t be any reason to hold a general election.

barry… we are talking about the right wing here. they don’t exactly care about facts. they care about the destruction of the “enemies,” by any means necessary.

Dave, I hate to break this to you but anyone who thinks the “other” guys (in this case the right wing) are the only ones who don’t care about facts but only for destruction of enemies has blinded themselves. Both wings, as soon as you define yourself as Republican, Democrat, conservative, liberal, right-wing, left-wing, whatever, automatically do whatever they can to win. It’s just a game of excessive pride - there’s no longer anything to do with philosophy, issues, or ethics. And both sides are equally as reprehensibly guilty of it. There’s no more hiding virtuously behind *your* side, saying the *other* guys are the baddies. Those days are long gone, and everyone had better realize it.

There’s no more hiding virtuously behind *your* side, saying the *other* guys are the baddies. Those days are long gone, and everyone had better realize it.

I wonder sometimes if those days ever really existed anywhere but in somebody’s imagination. The situation has deteriorated to the point that sometimes when I step back and look at it I wonder if a person should even become involved in it.

And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that [spirit] of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. - 1 John 4:3

…sorry, I just had to do that.

Who knew Barack was so old?

Communist Obama and his Pro-Abortion Socialist Gestapo will CHANGE USA into USSA - United Socialist States of America.