Some Good, Some Bad.


Heckuva night last night. On the one hand, I feel a little like I did when John Kerry won New Hampshire in 2004. “So much for meaningful change”. Of course that’s not entirely true - NH is one state and Obama isn’t out of it yet (I think Edwards may be). But the NH advantage kind of erases the Iowa one, and the establishment candidate has a lot of other advantages built in to her candidacy going forward.

On the other hand, it was a good night for Democrats - one of many this year that we can hope will repudiate the Bush doctrines of government. Clinton beat Obama by ~8000 votes, while Obama beat McCain - the GOP winner - by ~16,000 votes. That’s not too shabby!

One reason that I hoped for an Obama win is that his inclusiveness appeals to me strongly. I think Hillary, like Bush, will (if elected) try to win a shoestring majority, and then govern as though she had won a landslide. I would like to see someone try to build a real coalition in the election, then govern as though they are working for all of us. After 8 years of letting 30% of the electorate run roughshod over everything I hold sacred, the schadenfreude coming from a Clinton presidency just doesn’t do much for me. Even if I am in the 30% - I don’t want it to be that way.

Of course, Clinton has also shown herself to be untrustworthy on matters of foreign policy. She says she wouldn’t have started the war she voted for, but where was her judgment when Kyle-Lieberman came up for a vote? She has shown very poor judgment in this area.

On her domestic agenda… I don’t know yet. She talks a good game & has a good voting record, but I wonder what she can accomplish.

Lots of other problems and questions… Oh well… let’s see what happens in NV & SC.

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I would like to see someone try to build a real coalition in the election, then govern as though they are working for all of us.

Buddy, as someone who voted for Bush twice & wouldn’t ever do it again if he were eligible to be on the ballot, I can say comfortably that - assigning myself as spokesman for all Republicans…yeah, I can do that - 2001 wasn’t all that long ago & Bush did much the same thing. Lotsa folks forget that Bush reached across the aisle & signed Teddy Kennedy’s education bill. Lotsa folks forget that Bush reached across the aisle and signed McCain/Feingold. Lotsa folks forget that Bush gave us the Medicare prescription drug plan that we’re all going to pay for the rest of our lives.

Now, anyone can agree or disagree with the policies put in place (and I think you know where I stand on the ones listed) and they can abhor the war and think it’s the worst foreign policy put forth in the history of the Republic, but the facts are that Bush most certainly did NOT govern as a ‘conservative’ & aside from the tax cuts there’s precious little that could be said which would put him outside of the realm of “moderate Republican” (recall his amnesty bill support?). Yep, the war is costing billions & ain’t gonna argue that, but……go add up the cost of those policies that I listed, which one wouldn’t find on the Club For Growth wish list & tell me it wasn’t acquiescing to the Dems’ push on some items (emphasis on ’some’). Bush DID reach across the aisle. Clinton DID reach across the aisle (after the 1994 landslide). Bush 41 DID reach across the aisle (hello tax hikes). Perception isn’t always reality and if we really go back in history and look at the votes, the Democrats also supported the war when it came time to tally those, as well.

Go ask any conservative if Bush ignored the Democrats & I’m sure you’ll get a different POV. The guy (again, forgetting the war funding) has spent us in such a way that LBJ would’ve been jealous. No way Bill Clinton gets away with that education bill….

He did some things that didn’t appeal to the eco-cons - that’s true - he even managed to fracture his own constituency… Governing for everybody doesn’t mean just crossing elements of one’s own party on occasion. It doesn’t just mean compromising on something that doesn’t matter to you to get something much bigger.

I’m talking about the signing statements, the warrantless wiretaps, the attempts to undermine habeus corpus, the politicization of the Department of Justice, the politicization of the EPA, the politization of NASA… cronyism in FEMA (and everywhere else)… the obstruction of Congress’ right to subpoena, the abuse of the beuracracies that are supposed to serve and protect the people, using them to serve and protect himself, with disregard for our system of government and for the good of the people he was elected to serve.

Yes, the Democrats were (and continue to be complicit) in these shenanigans, rolling over for him at every opportunity. Why? I don’t know.

But I’m sick of it, and I don’t want another hyperpartisan establishment politician at the helm next year.

Yes, the Democrats were (and continue to be complicit) in these shenanigans, rolling over for him at every opportunity. Why? I don’t know.

Because they did and do it and will do it, as well. I remember the shenanigans from the Clinton era. I could list ‘em but you already remember a lot of ‘em. Same with the other power brokers, as with everything else, there is none more pure than the other.

And because of the same reason that the “gang of 14″ didn’t blow up the current filibuster scheme (where you can filibuster by simply saying “I may filibuster” but not actually do anything)….the parties in power want to stay in power. The biggest nightmare for the Dems isn’t the Repubs or vice-versa; it’s a third party or the erosion of support for those two conglomerates. Thus, they’ll fight each other tooth & nail and use us all as rhetorical collateral (do you really think that Dick Gephardt felt that Newt Gingrich WANTED children to starve? Do you think that Mitt Romney really thinks that Obama would rather America be ‘weaker’?) but at the end of the day they’re the members at the political country club making sure that they & their families continue to get ‘free’ membership privileges.

They’re all Ds or Rs first….no one is seeking to lead the country, they’re seeking power for them & their parties. That’s why the Dems vote for the war despite their constituents being against it, that’s why Bush signed McCain/Feingold & supports amnesty & why Hillary wants universal health care: because “in the big picture” it’ll help their respective parties in future generations. And we’re the ones who get to foot the bills for it all!

Personally, I wouldn’t mind all 536 of them & their staffs being replaced. It’d probably be good if the entire metro-DC area was forcibly transplanted into middle-America for a while & mom and pop store owners and middle managers across the country ran things for a while. I’m not for using the power of the state to make people move, I’m just saying it wouldn’t be all BAD in that case….

But I’m sick of it, and I don’t want another hyperpartisan establishment politician at the helm next year.

That’s all we have to choose from, it just depends on how they dress up their pretty language. I’ve seen Obama’s political questionnaire answers, he’s to the left of Cynthia McKinney, but he’s more ‘acceptable’ to me & others because he doesn’t seem to hate us for daring to disagree & therefore it’d be a battle of ideas & policies instead of demonizing ‘the other guy’. A sad statement on the current status of our nation because a Clinton/Romney race would give us that battle of personalities and barb-throwing, but that’s the way I see things.

Ugh, how I hate both parties.

BTW, I forgot to add this above:

But I’m sick of it, and I don’t want another hyperpartisan establishment politician at the helm next year.

You know what? I remember that statement or one a lot like it from the past. That’s what many/most Republicans said when it came down to Bush versus Gore. I know it’s hard to remember a time when Bush wasn’t the head of BushCo & leading Diebold to steal elections and keep blacks from voting, but a scant 7 years ago he sounded a lot like Obama. Remember “affirmative access” and “compassionate conservative”?

They’re all just politicians & Obama is using the purdy language that Bush was using back then, just wrapping them around different policies. I remember “Bush is going to bring over some independents & Democrats” back then, just as Obama is bringing new ‘hope’ for a larger tent. Same stuff, different day.

In the end…..it boils down to politics. And politicians.

Jeez, do I seem as jaded as I come across? :)

If you & Buck stood in the same room together, the cynicism levels might be enough to tear apart the very fabric of the universe. ;)

Then I guess I’ll stay out of it, then… Because my outlook is at LEAST as dire as Ricky’s.

And he’s FAR more charitable to Bush than I…

I wish I could believe in politicians and politics.

I see more and more and more people just tuning out. I think that 24 hour a day 7 day per week news coverage may have something to do with that.

My political outlook is very dire. My cynicism knows no limit.

But I want to believe and I am going to keep trying to believe right up until the buildings start blazing.

Oh yeah…..and a belated Happy Birthday to you Ricky.

I see more and more and more people just tuning out. I think that 24 hour a day 7 day per week news coverage may have something to do with that.

We agree so much on this, Buck, as it was one of the primary reasons that I ’stepped away’ from the political blogging thing. Knowledge is a great thing but I really didn’t need to know who Hillary’s spokesperson was, or what Tony Snow said yesterday or what Nancy Pelosi said in some speech on some campus. Don’t get me wrong, the inner workings of the gov’t is important, but I don’t need to revel in it. For a long time, I did. To the point of any time some congressman appeared on some talk show, I could name the dude and which state he represented (and I don’t mean frequent guests like Dana Roherbacker, I mean….I knew who who Mark Foley was as soon as the name hit the ticker after the e-mails were published, could describe what he looked like & which shows he mostly appeared on. I shouldn’t know that. I should know my nieces’ birthdays, not that sort of thing).

To tell you the truth, stepping away has put me in a better frame of mind & as long as I get an overview of things, I’m okay.

My political outlook is very dire. My cynicism knows no limit.

Which is why I want ‘em all, Dems and Gopers, as far away from my business & personal life as possible. Looking at how they treat our heroes (Walter Reed center is maintained by those guys, after all) makes me wonder how they’d treat a slug like me if they had the opportunity. Where’s my pitchfork? :)

And, thanks!