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		<title>By: jlue</title>
		<link>http://tete-tete-tete.com/2009/10/except-gambling-is-immoral/comment-page-1/#comment-4375</link>
		<dc:creator>jlue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 14:11:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am aware of how hate crimes have been applied. 

My position is that any crime should be punished according to the crime, not by the perpetrators gender, orientation, race, creed or religion or by what the judge deems was the accused’s emotional state when the crime occurred.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am aware of how hate crimes have been applied. </p>
<p>My position is that any crime should be punished according to the crime, not by the perpetrators gender, orientation, race, creed or religion or by what the judge deems was the accused’s emotional state when the crime occurred.</p>
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		<title>By: smijer</title>
		<link>http://tete-tete-tete.com/2009/10/except-gambling-is-immoral/comment-page-1/#comment-4373</link>
		<dc:creator>smijer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 02:19:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They certainly won&#039;t be able to prove that it was a hate crime in a case such as you described. Perhaps if my loved one was a member of a hate group and had threatened to bash someone because of their race/religion/disability/gender/orientation/etc... but just happened to commit a crime against such an individual unintentionally, then maybe you could get a false conviction.  You might want to look at how the federal hate crimes law has been applied in the past. The only thing new is that it covers more people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They certainly won&#8217;t be able to prove that it was a hate crime in a case such as you described. Perhaps if my loved one was a member of a hate group and had threatened to bash someone because of their race/religion/disability/gender/orientation/etc&#8230; but just happened to commit a crime against such an individual unintentionally, then maybe you could get a false conviction.  You might want to look at how the federal hate crimes law has been applied in the past. The only thing new is that it covers more people.</p>
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		<title>By: jlue</title>
		<link>http://tete-tete-tete.com/2009/10/except-gambling-is-immoral/comment-page-1/#comment-4371</link>
		<dc:creator>jlue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 01:41:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So the judge and/or jury will know what the person was thinking and know he doesn&#039;t get &quot;extra&quot; punishment?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So the judge and/or jury will know what the person was thinking and know he doesn&#8217;t get &#8220;extra&#8221; punishment?</p>
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		<title>By: smijer</title>
		<link>http://tete-tete-tete.com/2009/10/except-gambling-is-immoral/comment-page-1/#comment-4370</link>
		<dc:creator>smijer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 23:41:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Suppose someone you love commits a random crime and the victim turns out to be gay, but they honestly did not know that when it happened.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Then the hate crimes law doesn&#039;t apply.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Suppose someone you love commits a random crime and the victim turns out to be gay, but they honestly did not know that when it happened.</p></blockquote>
<p>Then the hate crimes law doesn&#8217;t apply.</p>
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		<title>By: jlue</title>
		<link>http://tete-tete-tete.com/2009/10/except-gambling-is-immoral/comment-page-1/#comment-4367</link>
		<dc:creator>jlue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 23:22:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If someone kills or commits violence against me or one of my loved ones, does it really make it better if the courts say, &quot;Oh, this happened because she was a Christian so we will make the punishment greater.&quot; I know that you guys think this law will deter people from violence, but I say it will instill more hatred and cause people to simply do what they are going to do in a different way.

You &quot;sympathize with libertarianism&quot;. Why? Should you not feel sorry for yourself as well. Suppose someone you love commits a random crime and the victim turns out to be gay, but they honestly did not know that when it happened. Do you want the perpetrator to receive greater punishment because their victim was gay and the judge believes this is why it happened? In today&#039;s world, that is what would happen. In tomorrow&#039;s world, it may be if the crime is against a Christian female or it may be assumed that it was a hate crime if the perpetrator is gay. Is this really what liberals want?

My position is that any crime should be punished according to the crime, not by the perpetrators gender, orientation, race, creed or religion or by what the judge deems was the accused&#039;s emotional state when the crime occurred.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If someone kills or commits violence against me or one of my loved ones, does it really make it better if the courts say, &#8220;Oh, this happened because she was a Christian so we will make the punishment greater.&#8221; I know that you guys think this law will deter people from violence, but I say it will instill more hatred and cause people to simply do what they are going to do in a different way.</p>
<p>You &#8220;sympathize with libertarianism&#8221;. Why? Should you not feel sorry for yourself as well. Suppose someone you love commits a random crime and the victim turns out to be gay, but they honestly did not know that when it happened. Do you want the perpetrator to receive greater punishment because their victim was gay and the judge believes this is why it happened? In today&#8217;s world, that is what would happen. In tomorrow&#8217;s world, it may be if the crime is against a Christian female or it may be assumed that it was a hate crime if the perpetrator is gay. Is this really what liberals want?</p>
<p>My position is that any crime should be punished according to the crime, not by the perpetrators gender, orientation, race, creed or religion or by what the judge deems was the accused&#8217;s emotional state when the crime occurred.</p>
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		<title>By: smijer</title>
		<link>http://tete-tete-tete.com/2009/10/except-gambling-is-immoral/comment-page-1/#comment-4366</link>
		<dc:creator>smijer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 23:00:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;How can the prosecuting attorney, the jury, or a judge know what a person is thinking if not by their speech?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

This is part of the libertarian argument. I sympathize with libertarianism, but sometimes it just doesn&#039;t seem to me to cope with the real world, where hate crimes are a reality, and for the sake of whole communities of victims, should be treated differently than other crimes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>How can the prosecuting attorney, the jury, or a judge know what a person is thinking if not by their speech?</p></blockquote>
<p>This is part of the libertarian argument. I sympathize with libertarianism, but sometimes it just doesn&#8217;t seem to me to cope with the real world, where hate crimes are a reality, and for the sake of whole communities of victims, should be treated differently than other crimes.</p>
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		<title>By: jlue</title>
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		<dc:creator>jlue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 22:50:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the link. I still do not know where to find the exact bill, if that isn&#039;t it, but regardless I have a question everyone should be asking. How can the prosecuting attorney, the jury, or a judge know what a person is thinking if not by their speech?  

I suggest many crimes are motivated by hatred, but just how do you determine a person&#039;s thoughts and heart? This is dangerous ground that the democrats are treading on. Not just dangerous for the Christian or the conservative. This is dangerous for every citizen. Who is to say that one hundred years from now, or whatever number it turns out to be, society has a new political correctness standard. The standard always changes over time. At that time, the law may be used to control the thought and speech of the homosexuals or the liberals, the very people it was written to protect.

When the government begins to legislate morality and speech, it is dangerous for everyone and there is no way around this being a speech control issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the link. I still do not know where to find the exact bill, if that isn&#8217;t it, but regardless I have a question everyone should be asking. How can the prosecuting attorney, the jury, or a judge know what a person is thinking if not by their speech?  </p>
<p>I suggest many crimes are motivated by hatred, but just how do you determine a person&#8217;s thoughts and heart? This is dangerous ground that the democrats are treading on. Not just dangerous for the Christian or the conservative. This is dangerous for every citizen. Who is to say that one hundred years from now, or whatever number it turns out to be, society has a new political correctness standard. The standard always changes over time. At that time, the law may be used to control the thought and speech of the homosexuals or the liberals, the very people it was written to protect.</p>
<p>When the government begins to legislate morality and speech, it is dangerous for everyone and there is no way around this being a speech control issue.</p>
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		<title>By: smijer</title>
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		<dc:creator>smijer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 19:44:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looks like I was wrong. I imagine someone from a southern delegation did it, but I guess sometimes they do put it into the bills individually:

&lt;blockquote&gt;3) CONSTRUCTION AND APPLICATION.—
Nothing in this division, or an amendment made by this division, shall be construed or applied in a manner that infringes any rights under the first amendment to the Constitution of the United States. Nor shall anything in this division, or an amendment made by this division, be construed or applied in a manner that substantially burdens a person&#039;s exercise of religion (regardless of whether compelled by, or central to, a system of religious belief), speech, expression, or association, unless the Government demonstrates that application of the burden to the person is in furtherance of a compelling governmental interest and is the least restrictive means of furthering that compelling governmental interest, if such exercise of religion, speech, expression, or association was not intended to—
(A) plan or prepare for an act of physical violence; or
(B) incite an imminent act of physical violence against another.
(4) FREE EXPRESSION.—
Nothing in this division shall be construed to allow prosecution based solely upon an individual&#039;s expression of racial, religious, political, or other beliefs or solely upon an individual&#039;s membership in a group advocating or espousing such beliefs.
(5) FIRST AMENDMENT.—
Nothing in this division, or an amendment made by this division, shall be construed to diminish any rights under the first amendment to the Constitution of the United States.
(6) CONSTITUTIONAL PROTECTIONS.—
Nothing in this division shall be construed to prohibit any constitutionally protected speech, expressive conduct or activities (regardless of whether compelled by, or central to, a system of religious belief), including the exercise of religion protected by the first amendment to the Constitution of the United States and peaceful picketing or demonstration. The Constitution of the United States does not protect speech, conduct or activities consisting of planning for, conspiring to commit, or committing an act of violence.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looks like I was wrong. I imagine someone from a southern delegation did it, but I guess sometimes they do put it into the bills individually:</p>
<blockquote><p>3) CONSTRUCTION AND APPLICATION.—<br />
Nothing in this division, or an amendment made by this division, shall be construed or applied in a manner that infringes any rights under the first amendment to the Constitution of the United States. Nor shall anything in this division, or an amendment made by this division, be construed or applied in a manner that substantially burdens a person&#8217;s exercise of religion (regardless of whether compelled by, or central to, a system of religious belief), speech, expression, or association, unless the Government demonstrates that application of the burden to the person is in furtherance of a compelling governmental interest and is the least restrictive means of furthering that compelling governmental interest, if such exercise of religion, speech, expression, or association was not intended to—<br />
(A) plan or prepare for an act of physical violence; or<br />
(B) incite an imminent act of physical violence against another.<br />
(4) FREE EXPRESSION.—<br />
Nothing in this division shall be construed to allow prosecution based solely upon an individual&#8217;s expression of racial, religious, political, or other beliefs or solely upon an individual&#8217;s membership in a group advocating or espousing such beliefs.<br />
(5) FIRST AMENDMENT.—<br />
Nothing in this division, or an amendment made by this division, shall be construed to diminish any rights under the first amendment to the Constitution of the United States.<br />
(6) CONSTITUTIONAL PROTECTIONS.—<br />
Nothing in this division shall be construed to prohibit any constitutionally protected speech, expressive conduct or activities (regardless of whether compelled by, or central to, a system of religious belief), including the exercise of religion protected by the first amendment to the Constitution of the United States and peaceful picketing or demonstration. The Constitution of the United States does not protect speech, conduct or activities consisting of planning for, conspiring to commit, or committing an act of violence.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: smijer</title>
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		<dc:creator>smijer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 19:36:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/National_Defense_Authorization_Act_for_Fiscal_Year_2010/Division_E&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;I believe this is the language as it was signed into law&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, <a href="http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/National_Defense_Authorization_Act_for_Fiscal_Year_2010/Division_E" rel="nofollow">I believe this is the language as it was signed into law</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: smijer</title>
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		<dc:creator>smijer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 19:24:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/data/constitution/amendment01/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Here&lt;/a&gt; is the relevant legal protection for free speech.  It isn&#039;t normally independently inserted into individual bills.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/data/constitution/amendment01/" rel="nofollow">Here</a> is the relevant legal protection for free speech.  It isn&#8217;t normally independently inserted into individual bills.</p>
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