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Vicious New Talking Point

The short form of the new, revoltingly vituperous talking point, and a response to it is here. However, this is just a small part of appears to be a large scale coordinated message campaign.

Fred Thompson hosted a much longer session of … what do you call it when distortion follows insinuation follows distortion, and every bit of it is accusations of unimaginable wickedness? Anyway, whatever you call it, the AARP has responded. Unfortunately, Mark Twain was very correct in his observation that a lie will make it halfway around the world while the truth is still putting on its shoes. I expect large numbers of gullible Americans to be outraged at the Democrats’ plans to kill the elderly… and no amount of fact-checking will cure it. That’s the sad thing.

Update: Yes, it’s a coordinated campaign.

59 comments to Vicious New Talking Point

  • Meet ABC’s new health correspondent, an Obama donor. Gee, I wonder where he’ll come down on the president’s proposals?

    He’s into Obama for $400… nothing to the committees, state candidates, state parties, or PACs. Clearly he’s an apparatchik of the most insidious kind. I’m sure ABC verified this before they hired him, rather than checking less relevant criteria like whether or not he ever headed up the CDC.

  • RW

    Approximately one half of the country woke up one morning in January of 2009 and started caring about spending and debt. It is a very funny thing, and we cannot help but laugh.

    I respectfully disagree. There are literally millions of people right-of-center who have long been aghast at the spending levels in D.C., especially the capitulation of the GOP to the beltway trends. (Why else would Ron Paul had his 15 minutes of glory, for example) Not being snarky (or, more than usual) but the people that I’m told are the new ‘spokespeople’ for the Republican party, Rush Limbaugh, Ann Coulter, Sarah Palin and Glenn Beck, never wavered in their disapproval of Republican spending. [That] side cannot have it both ways & say Limbaugh is the face of the GOP while also claim that the face of the GOP is for more spending. Now, that said, the GOP congresses from 2003 until they were ousted in 2006 were, for the most part, deplorable and deserved to lose. I bet if you go back and look through the archives of various righty writers (not party-line folks who’ll do anything that is good for the Republican brand) you’ll be reminded of how much we disdained their largesse. Instapundit, for example, was pushing the ‘porkbusters’ concept long before anyone thought the Dems would regain congress.

    Now, to the obvious retort (and it’s a good one): you’re right, the GOP congress passed huge spending measures and a GOP president signed them. You’ll have to look far & wide to find someone who says George Bush was a conservative, especially when it came to spending. So, mark a tally under your colum, you get a point….but, was there anyone on the right who claimed that the GOP was NOT spending haphazardly?

    Speaking for me, I was agin the whole medicare prescription thing. However, I remember why the Dems who voted against it did so: they wanted it universal. So, I don’t think that they should be castigating spending. Given the choice of going out to party with either Plaxico Burress or Michael Vick, I hardly think it worrisome if someone poked fun at me for hanging out with the guy who shot himself in the butt since the other option was a dog mutilator.

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    One correction: “Or money for tax breaks for the top 1% is just fine – but money for healthcare is socialism.”

    Ceasing the process of confiscating my money from my pocket isn’t giving me money.

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    I fully expect spending to soar even more. Elections, after all, have consequences. The Democrats won in a romp. Pointing at the people who accepted $300 billion deficits begrudgingly when they notice a 1.8 trillion dollar deficit (sorry, The one, but you voted for all that stimulus spending at the end of 43′s term. Nice try, but that’s on you, too) isn’t cause for mockery or attempts at diminishing their character.

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    But the funniest thing is record spending and record debt is GREAT! if my president is in office but CONFISCATION! if your president is.

    Hand over heart, I’d have no qualms with another Gingrich congress & Obama being president. Remember the ‘dark days’ of Clinton shutting down the government because Newt’s budgets cut too MUCH spending? My, how things changed in 12 short years….

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    You disavowed the spending under Bush, and so far, I haven’t seen your head spinning around now that Obama is following the same pattern.

    Were he to only follow the same pattern, my head wouldn’t spin. Some of the numbers, though……..sheesh. But, again, elections have consequences. If we – American voters – don’t like it, we can vote to reverse it.

  • RW

    I’m sure ABC verified this before they hired him, rather than checking less relevant criteria like whether or not he ever headed up the CDC.

    THAT was funny.

    Still chuckling.

    Still, the guy’s commentary on policy matters is tainted because he’s not independent. If they use him for health updates & segments, fine. If they bring him on to discuss ANY legislation, it might as well be Robert Gibbs. No way Walter Cronkite, a far left one world gov’t type in his private life, would accept a donor as any sort of ‘journalist’.

  • I’ll take my obvious retort and raise that with – except for Medicare part D (which was a boondoggle in more ways than we can count) – the best I heard from the right about *where that money was going* was silence. Where it concerned throwing money down the SDI toilet and where it concerned starting an open-ended war in Iraq I heard cheers. At no point was there a time that I couldn’t turn on the tv, radio, or internet for hearing about a “Tea Party”.

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    Were he to only follow the same pattern, my head wouldn’t spin. Some of the numbers, though……..sheesh.

    So far the war in Iraq, alone, has cost about 700 Billion over 6 years. If you look at the trend in terms of increase in spending over the last administration, I think the curve between Bush and Obama will remain relatively smooth, if not flatten somewhat. But I guess we’ll see.

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    Hand over heart, I’d have no qualms with another Gingrich congress & Obama being president. Remember the ‘dark days’ of Clinton shutting down the government because Newt’s budgets cut too MUCH spending? My, how things changed in 12 short years….

    I agree with you there, at least.

  • RW

    the best I heard from the right about *where that money was going* was silence

    Google “ted kennedy’s education bill” and you’ll likely see more than silence.

    At no point was there a time that I couldn’t turn on the tv, radio, or internet for hearing about a “Tea Party”.

    We weren’t facing tax hikes during a recession, horrendous job market and unstable housing market. Look, I haven’t gone to any of those tea parties, but I know a few folks from my church who went to the first one and I can tell you that it wasn’t anti-Obama or anti-Democrat; just simple Georgia folks who are saying “wait, this wasn’t what was advertised and we don’t want the federal government to grow THAT MUCH”. I know it’s the cause du jour to assume that it’s a cover for some newfound John Birch society meetings (or, as MSNBC proposes, “racists” and “teabaggers”), but it’s simply a case of timid people being worried about encroaching government powers during difficult times. Were we at 4% growth and 5% unemployment (as we were during the periods you outlined) there wouldn’t be any Tea Party movement, I’d be willing to wager.

    So far the war in Iraq, alone, has cost about 700 Billion over 6 years

    We did that in ONE WEEK a few months back, buddy. Feel that stimuli from it, yet?
    Think about it….that’s why some folks are worrisome; not because of a black dude, but because our government signed off on a bill spending the entire tally for the war in Iraq *BEFORE ANYONE READ THE BILL* and most of us are still finding out about the ridiculous items listed within it. (for the record, I support some sort of bill to stave off impending economic disaster, even if it means big deficits in the short term, but that thing was a pile of dog crap & pork ridden vote-buying schemes for politicians)

    If you look at the trend in terms of increase in spending over the last administration, I think the curve between Bush and Obama will remain relatively smooth, if not flatten somewhat.

    We’ve gone from 3 trillion to 4 trillion, already. And that’s before “health care reform”. I’m not getting that ‘fresh feeling’ that women get when they take the right product. :)

  • Were we at 4% growth and 5% unemployment (as we were during the periods you outlined) there wouldn’t be any Tea Party movement, I’d be willing to wager.

    … and there wouldn’t be any 700 billion dollar stimulus or any auto bailout, etc… So yeah.. maybe no tea parties, either.

  • Jan

    A research project isn’t an on-going industry that is being taken over by the government. There is a big difference. Socialism occurs whenever government takes over a business or industry.

    The myth of tax breaks for the rich continues. I certainly hope that all rich employers do get tax breaks so their employees may continue to work.

    Obama would not be president and Congress would not be controlled by democrats if republicans had been conservative fiscally. They were not and many voters became disallusioned. Some did not vote at all. Others voted a protest vote. I had a lot of friends who said they were voting the democrat ticket to teach republicans a lesson. I thought it was stupid then and I think they realize that now. There is supposed to be a new bumper sticker coming out that reads, “I Can’t Wait To Vote”. Obama is pushing everything through congress now because even he is realizing what will likely happen in 2010. ACORN has changed the face of elections and it may not happen the way I expect it to, but then again, it might.

  • Jan

    make that disillusioned, sorry.

  • Buck

    As long as John McCain is trotted out every Sunday morning to be the voice of the Republican Party I don’t think Democrats have much to worry about.

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