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In the “makes you want to puke category”, via Little Green Footballs
CNN: Saudis order 40 lashes for elderly woman for mingling.

A Saudi Arabian court has sentenced a 75-year-old Syrian woman to 40 lashes, four months imprisonment and deportation from the kingdom for having two unrelated men in her house, according to local media reports.
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Fahd told the policeman he had the right to be there, because Sawadi had breast-fed him as a baby and was therefore considered to be a son to her in Islam, according to Al-Watan. Fahd, 24, added that his friend Hadian was escorting him as he delivered bread for the elderly woman. The policeman then arrested both men.
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In 2007, a 19-year-old gang-rape victim in the Saudi city of Qatif was sentenced to 200 lashes and six months in prison for meeting with an unrelated male. The seven rapists, who abducted the woman and man, received sentences ranging from 10 months to five years in prison.

A seventy five year old woman likely will not survive forty lashes.

I didn’t repost when I saw this go around, but it is in the pukey category, too.

1. A twisted pervert rapes his 9-year old step-daughter. 2. Mom, who is concerned that the twins her 9-year old daughter is carrying as a result of this rape might endanger her daughter’s health, takes her daughter to a doctor. 3. Doctor agrees that the daughter’s life in in danger and performs an abortion.
And what does the Catholic Church do? It excommunicates the girl’s mother and the doctor, but not the pervert who raped a little girl, setting this entire, horrible chain of events in motion. I am not kidding.

Me posting these items on this blog won’t do the first thing to make them go away or stop happening. But, I guess I just have to add another frail voice to the protest.

9 comments to Unpalatable

  • “And what does the Catholic Church do? It excommunicates the girl’s mother and the doctor, but not the pervert who raped a little girl, setting this entire, horrible chain of events in motion. I am not kidding.”

    Do you think that the Unitarian “Church” is all *that* different smijer?

    How about a Unitarian Church whose minister publicly calls for prayers for an aging “pillar of the church” convicted of forcibly raping a preteen female family member, and the preteen daughter of a neighbor, but who does publicly call for prayers for his victims?

    Close enough for you?

  • Correction – but who does NOT publicly call for prayers for his victims?

  • I’d first say give me some way to verify the story – particularly the part where the minister did not publicly call for prayers for the victims.

    But, no – such a failure would be intolerable, but not intolerable in the same way as the Church’s actions in Brazil were – essentially taking punitive action against a woman and doctor who performed an abortion to save a child’s life, and taking less sever punitive action against her rapist. That’s a whole other level of unpalatable, and I’m not into moral equivalence games.

  • RW

    That’s a whole other level of unpalatable, and I’m not into moral equivalence games.

    Not if you accept the church’s stance that abortion is murder.

    They think aborting the fetus is the same as you think the killing of someone on death row is. Would you not quantify the execution of someone – hardened criminal or not – as being worse than rape? Isn’t execution > rape to you?

    Like I’m trying to explain to the folks at alice’s place, if you ACCEPT the position that the church holds – that it’s a baby – then it’s not surprising that they’d think that the killing of the baby is worse.

  • RW – I can accept, for purposes of argument, the Church’s position when it comes to elective abortion.

    But, as I have stated before, holding that position does not exonerate you from anything you do. Willingness to sacrifice the life of a nine year old rape victim over this “belief” is beyond the pale.

    Would you excuse PETA for condemning the killing of the chimpanzee who was eating a woman’s face on the grounds that they hold the “belief” that the chimpanzee is a “person”?

    The Church was willing to allow the rape to become a murder over their belief that abortion is murder. Even if their belief is sincere, they could have at least stepped back and allowed the child’s mother and doctor elect to prevent the murder of the child over the “murder” of the fetus.

  • Unfortunately it seems that online evidence of Rev. Victoria Weinstein soliciting healing prayers for her parishioner convicted rapist Richard Buell (because he was hospitalized) is no longer available smijer but the church newsletter announcing the “special conversation” arising from his conviction may still be read here on the top left of page 3 -

    http://www.firstparishnorwell.org/spirepdfs/Spire20061004.pdf

    I guess you will just have to take my word for it that Rev. Victoria Weinstein publicly called for healing prayers for Richard Buell whereas there is no evidence that she similarly called for healing prayers for his victims. I am not opposed to the healing prayers for Buell BTW just appalled at the apparent lack of prayers for his victims and other evidence of U*U church insensitivity in this case.

    :But, no – such a failure would be intolerable, but not intolerable in the same way as the Church’s actions in Brazil were -

    Agreed but it is not *that* different either.

    :essentially taking punitive action against a woman and doctor who performed an abortion to save a child’s life, and taking less sever punitive action against her rapist. That’s a whole other level of unpalatable, and I’m not into moral equivalence games.

    I understood the story smijer. You can’t excommunicate someone who is not a member of your church to begin with, which would seem too be the case with Richard Buell’s victims who BTW were around 9 years old give or take a year or two at the time of the rapes. My point was that Richard Buell was not expelled from his U*U congregation and was even prayed for while his victims appear to have been ignored and even shunned by the church in question. For the record it is not unusual for churches, including U*U churches, to harbor and protect U*U clergy who commit clergy sexual misconduct while shunning, if not punishing, their victims.

  • Robin, those are serious charges and too much to ask me to take just on your word without at least hearing the church’s side of the story. I will look into the matter more deeply and reserve judgment until that time.

    Needless to say, if I should become aware of factual information of this nature that centered on my own church, I would be deeply shocked & likely would resign membership immediately. I doubt I know of anyone who wouldn’t react in a similar fashion, if the facts were as you allege.

  • I would actually encourage you to look into the matter more deeply smijer. Try contacting Rev. Victoria Weinstein herself via email or even try contacting Rev. Deborah Pope_lance who facilitated the special meeting. She would be very well informed about the situation but may not be able to say much about it due to confidentiality issues. I recall seeing Rev. Victoria Weinstein calling for prayers for a hospitalized Richard Buell in ‘The Spire’ newsletter. I never saw any call for prayers for his victims published in it. To the best of my knowledge his victims, indeed the nature of his crime, were never mentioned in ‘The Spire’ at all.

    I have blogged about this situation in the past and you can find new reports about his conviction for rape with appropriate Google searches. This Richard Buell is not the one who is the Boston Globe’s music critic BTW. Narrow your search with keywords like Norwell.

  • Come to think of it Rev. Deborah Pope-Lance may not know all that much about the rape victims themselves, or how the First Parish Norwell responded to Buell’s victims, if they responded to them in any way at all. . . Certainly I am not aware of any evidence of any compassionate outreach to Richard Buell’s rape victims from the First Parish Norwell. Rev. Pope-Lance would have been given the church’s version of the story, but she is far from naïve and may be able to shed some light on the matter even without knowing the victim’s side of the story.

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