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Delayed response

Boortz has a global warming response on his site today.

It’s all about slowing down our blistering economy.

After all, the Dow is up 835 points since 2000. 

 

15 comments to Delayed response

  • OK … so the global warming nuts were wrong. They predicted a horrible hurricane season.

    Funny – I don’t remember that. Would it be too much to ask him for a quote from one of the global warming nuts to back that up? Probably – because I’m pretty sure he made that up.

  • Also – a rare nugget of interesting info from him about the new report on ocean cooling over the last 2 years. Excellent discussion on this at Real Climate.

  • Is Boortz this much of an illogical ass? I watched a report on the Discovery Science Channel hosted by Tom Brokaw about global warming. It is real and a real threat – not a figment of anyone’s imagination.

    Carbon dioxide is building up more and more in our atmosphere from a lot of factors; less trees, more hydrocarbons in the air, etc., and it will come to a point where it cannot be lessened or reversed. But, just like some astronomers who fear that one day Earth will get hit by an asteroid or some other space-object, the global warming camp is cast off like a bunch of nuts.

    And about his stupid remark about hurricane season, there’s only 4 words he needs to hear: “Is it over yet?”. What an ass.

  • RW

    I\’m not Neal, but:

    http://www.beggarscanbechoosers.com/2006_03_01_marcmcdonald_archive.html

    The 2006 hurricane season officially begins only 10 weeks from now. Forecasters predict it will be harsh. And despite what George W. Bush says, the U.S. is ill-prepared.

    http://news.mongabay.com/2006/0522-noaa.html

    http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/05/22/national/main1639437.shtml
    A hectic, above-normal tropical storm season could produce between four and six major hurricanes in the Atlantic Ocean and Gulf of Mexico this year, but conditions don\’t appear ripe for a repeat of 2005\’s record activity, the National Hurricane Center predicted Monday.

    There will be up to 16 named storms, the center predicted, which would be significantly less than last year\’s record 28. Still, people in coastal regions should prepare for the possibility of major storms, said Max Mayfield, the National Hurricane Center director.

    There were plenty of verbal predictions, as well. I heard them on the radio & watched on the tube. I didn\’t think they were all particularly political, but there were plenty of dire predictions. Which, as I consider it, is pretty amazing considering how abysmally wrong they were last year when it was a record season (and it was blamed on…….shall I say it? Yes, I will: global warming. Everything is). Not that they\’re no longer \”experts\”, just that experts in any field can be wrong, especially when trying to predict the future.

    Doubly so when trying to predict the weather.

    [oh, but they\'re so right when they predict how warm it\'ll be in 10 years of we don\'t follow their political wish list!] (I admit that was a bit of snark mixed in with humor).

    the global warming camp is cast off like a bunch of nuts

    From my vantage point, they set themselves off when they claim that anyone who doesn\’t adopt their principles and adhere to their pontifications to be \”ignorant\” or \”not a credible person\” to discuss the topic. It\’s all part of the game, of course, but the attempt to innoculate from criticism does not go unnoticed.

  • RW

    Boy, I screwed up that html big time.

  • RW – respectfully, all these predictions come from the NOAA who runs a prediction every year the same way the NWS sends out weather predictions all the time. There was not a single climate scientist who said that climate models that predict a heavy hurricane season this year from global warming. The NOAA, whether it is proven right or wrong in its prediction of the hurricane season was not talking about global warming – they were just doing their yearly prediction.

    The “Global Warming nuts” that Boortz refers to suspect that one of the consequences will be more hurricanes, generally speaking (not in any particular season), but there is no concensus on the matter. Their models are less ambiguous about the relative strength of hurricanes, though that is not beyond debate at this point, either. I will be extremely surprised if he finds a single “Global Warming Nut” who made any 2006-season predictions from their theory, at all.

    From my vantage point, they set themselves off when they claim that anyone who doesn’t adopt their principles and adhere to their pontifications to be ”ignorant” or ”not a credible person” to discuss the topic. It’s all part of the game, of course, but the attempt to innoculate from criticism does not go unnoticed.

    I would agree with you if it weren’t for the fact that people who, like Neal Boortz, publicly dispute the scientific consensus fall completely within three classes:
    1) Non-scientist Republican politicians
    2) Non-scientist Republican media personalities (yes, I count Neal among the ‘R’s. What’s the emoticon for that? Oh yeah – :-P )
    3) A vanishingly small minority of climate-scientist, every one of whom is primarily funded by the energy industry.

    That being the case, it seems to me that the indictments of global warming skeptics as “not credible” have themselves too much credibility to be written off as an attempt to “innoculate from criticism”.

    I tried to fix that HTML, but a WordPress WSIWYG bug throws those back-slashes in to an edited comment whether you want them or not.

  • Buck

    Maybe I had just assumed that global warming was supposed to lead to an increase in the amount of hurricanes as well as an increase in their power.

    Kinda like assuming that the administration insinuated that Iraq had something to do with 9/11

    I guess I pulled both of my assumptions from out of the ether somewhere.

    It sure is funny how you can draw a conclusion that was never meant to be drawn.

  • RW

    Eh, it was my fault for screwing up the HTML.
    BTW, here’s a link to a live comment thingie:
    http://dev.wp-plugins.org/wiki/LiveCommentPreview

    There was not a single climate scientist who said that climate models that predict a heavy hurricane season this year from global warming.

    Well, you’re throwing in a caveat: “climate scientist”. Methinks that Mr. Boortz – and I’m guessing, but this is an educated guess – was going using “the usual suspects on the left that practice punditry” as his basis. I didn’t look it up & so the places I list could be innocent so I’m going to make a general list but if the guy read the huffington post or some other various sites that are not scientific but include a bunch of other people who profess to carry the global warming banner (I’m thinking of Laurie David, RFK, Jr – who blamed Katrina on Bush, btw) as his guide. Easy fodder, sorta like someone on the left pointing to something Freepers discuss as a basis for “the right”. Again, I’m not speaking for Neal but *I* saw & heard several predictions of a bad hurricane season……but, no, I don’t recall the source as it was several weeks ago and my long-term memory cells are full of important things like baseball statistics and 80s song lyrics. :)

    Maybe I had just assumed that global warming was supposed to lead to an increase in the amount of hurricanes as well as an increase in their power.

    I’m sure if the oceans rose in temperature an extreme amount, that would be the case. The slight amount of warming that we’ve seen – and we’ve dropped since the high in ’98, IIRC, when global warming was at its worst – would have a negligent effect on hurricanes. Anyone who says that hurricanes are worse because of global warming is playing politics w/fear and making up @#$%.
    Kinda like assuming that the administration insinuated that Iraq had something to do with 9/11
    “Insinuated” is completely dependent upon the listener/reader. Thus, that is something inferred, not implied. I can say that it’s dark outside and one person can infer that I’m referring to cloud cover while a race-conscious demagogue could infer that I’d be a racist describing a majority black audience of people gathering (a crude example, but I’m trying to make a point).

    The topic is global warming, Buck, try to keep the BDS Iraq-response in check, buddy. :)

  • RW

    BTW, the economy is blistering. Pointing to the stock market before the dot-com bust – when a lot of stocks were artifically inflated to the point of absurdity (think “enron”), thus making them as fake as Dolly Parton’s boobs – is using a fallacious foundation. We had the bust followed by 9/11 which almost did away with the entire airline industry and we’ve recovered rather remarkably. If someone had told you the week after 9/11 that the economy would’ve performed as it has, would you have believed them?

  • Buck – you weren’t wrong in having that impression – there is evidence to support both propositions – frequency and intensity… however the people who you listened to on that may have dropped the ball on advising you about the various degrees of certainty on those items (or, maybe you didn’t listen closely enough).. The certainty regarding hurricane strength is *pretty good*… the certainty on frequency – well the debate is ongoing. And, of course – as has been stressed so many times – these are climatalogical phenomena and do not predict anything about any single specific hurricane season.

    RW – I doubt Al Gore would have made such a dumb prediction. RFK, Jr., maybe. Maybe some of the side-line cheerleaders that have no appreciable audience to begin with.

  • Buck

    Still hard for me to believe that knocking a couple of buildings down in New York could do the damage it did to us economically and spiritually. I think our reaction has done more damage than the actual action.

    I have found myself becoming more and more interested in this global warming thing. Doubtless it is happening but still cannot bring myself to really give a damn.

    My BDS does seem to flare up at the most inopportune times. I work on it but it seems to have some of the characteristics of Tourette’s syndrome.

  • Yeah, you don’t care now, but wait until a giant yellow jacket nest takes over your car. And since this is the internet where you can’t hear my tone – yes, I’m being silly.

  • Buck

    Hurricanes and floods I can handle.

    But when the yellow jackets start taking over I am going to start riding a bicycle.

  • –From my vantage point, they set themselves off when they claim that anyone who doesn’t adopt their principles and adhere to their pontifications to be ”ignorant” or ”not a credible person” to discuss the topic. It’s all part of the game, of course, but the attempt to innoculate from criticism does not go unnoticed.–
    I agree that anyone who tries to “cram” their beliefs down everyone’s throat is, IMO, not worth listening to. However, there are plenty of other folks who are just manning the sirens right now and not shouting in other people’s ears. Here’s a link to the show I saw:
    http://dsc.discovery.com/convergence/globalwarming/globalwarming.html
    I thought it was a well-produced piece that had a lot of information to process, and it wasn’t presented in a “doomsday” mannrer, but pretty matter-of-fact.

    At least it doesn’t say we will implode, explode, or otherwise fall to some major catastrophe at a certain date or time like some of the zealots who are screaming about with the year 2012.

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